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ARandomBoy

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PostSubject: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyTue Jan 12, 2010 9:58 pm

Because I am, like, obsessed with the ability Intimidate, I took a Pokemon that is generally a fragile CB or Scarfer and transformed it into a defensive monster.

Staraptor@Leftovers
252 HP / 4 ATK / 252 DEF
Impish
Intimidate

-Roost
-Toxic
-Substitute
-Brave Bird / Aerial Ace / Pluck

Yes, it is what you think it is. A defensive Staraptor. Before you doubt its ability, check this out:

Adamant Max ATK Gyarados' Stone Edge [after Intimidate] : 38% - 45%

That is a 3HKO. That allows me to Toxic, then proceed to stall out with Roost and Substitute. I can live a critical hit Stone Edge (Stone Edge has a high crit ration) from full health, but if I am much lower that can be dangerous. However, Stone Edge also has a shaky accuracy, and a miss can lead to me getting an easy Substitute. The last move saves me from being walled by Taunt, and provides a good STAB option. Brave Bird is the most powerful of the three, but the recoil on a defensive set isn't great. AA has perfect accuracy, versus Pluck which has 100 accuracy, but eats the foes berry.

Constructive criticism is appreciated. Thanks! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 5:48 pm

totally walled by a steel type. Registeel (incorrect tier but meh), metagross, bronzong and skarmory all come to mind.... Oh and also all the steel/rock types will take this and use it to set up (RP aggron says hi)

Oh and actually you can't live a crit stone edge; crit ignores the attack fall making it 3X in this case... a OHKO
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 5:57 pm

Gastrotress wrote:
totally walled by a steel type. Registeel (incorrect tier but meh), metagross, bronzong and skarmory all come to mind.... Oh and also all the steel/rock types will take this and use it to set up (RP aggron says hi)

Oh and actually you can't live a crit stone edge; crit ignores the attack fall making it 3X in this case... a OHKO
I know I am walled by Steel-types, which I why I will bring something that can take them on. Razz

Forgot about the crit ignoring attack drop, thanks for pointing that out.
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 6:40 pm

Gastrotress wrote:
totally walled by a steel type. Registeel (incorrect tier but meh), metagross, bronzong and skarmory all come to mind.... Oh and also all the steel/rock types will take this and use it to set up (RP aggron says hi)

Oh and actually you can't live a crit stone edge; crit ignores the attack fall making it 3X in this case... a OHKO

Yea it ignores the attack drop but it doesn't excel the crit to x3 damage instead of x2. And even then, where did you get the idea that a crit ignores attack drops???
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyWed Jan 13, 2010 6:44 pm

Greene wrote:
Gastrotress wrote:
totally walled by a steel type. Registeel (incorrect tier but meh), metagross, bronzong and skarmory all come to mind.... Oh and also all the steel/rock types will take this and use it to set up (RP aggron says hi)

Oh and actually you can't live a crit stone edge; crit ignores the attack fall making it 3X in this case... a OHKO

Yea it ignores the attack drop but it doesn't excel the crit to x3 damage instead of x2. And even then, where did you get the idea that a crit ignores attack drops???

3X the amount in the damage calc... IE gyarados in the damage calc was doing 66% (2/3) total after intimidate; non crit

Then after the crit it does 2X damage

2=2/3*3

And yes greene crits ignore attack drops, just as they ignore defense ups
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 8:21 am

Gastrotress wrote:
Greene wrote:
Gastrotress wrote:
totally walled by a steel type. Registeel (incorrect tier but meh), metagross, bronzong and skarmory all come to mind.... Oh and also all the steel/rock types will take this and use it to set up (RP aggron says hi)

Oh and actually you can't live a crit stone edge; crit ignores the attack fall making it 3X in this case... a OHKO

Yea it ignores the attack drop but it doesn't excel the crit to x3 damage instead of x2. And even then, where did you get the idea that a crit ignores attack drops???

3X the amount in the damage calc... IE gyarados in the damage calc was doing 66% (2/3) total after intimidate; non crit

Then after the crit it does 2X damage

2=2/3*3

And yes greene crits ignore attack drops, just as they ignore defense ups

Can you link me to where you are getting this information 'cause I scoured both the smogon and serebii databases to check this and found nothing.

And it still isn't 3 times anything, if the Intimidate is ignored then it is just the regular x2.
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 9:42 am

awsome set
i would never think of this
but ths would be for double because of the steel probleme
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 2:41 pm

greene... Gastro is correct

An adamant max attack gyara does 38-45 % after intimidate with stone edge according to random. Since crits ignore attack drops, he will do over 50% damage with stone edge just because he gets his attack back to normal, and then that gets doubled because of the crit.
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 2:44 pm

Shnoogle wrote:
greene... Gastro is correct

An adamant max attack gyara does 38-45 % after intimidate with stone edge according to random. Since crits ignore attack drops, he will do over 50% damage with stone edge just because he gets his attack back to normal, and then that gets doubled because of the crit.

I never said he wasn't correct, I said I would like a link.
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PostSubject: Re: Defensive Offense?   Defensive Offense? EmptyThu Jan 14, 2010 2:47 pm

Greene wrote:
Shnoogle wrote:
greene... Gastro is correct

An adamant max attack gyara does 38-45 % after intimidate with stone edge according to random. Since crits ignore attack drops, he will do over 50% damage with stone edge just because he gets his attack back to normal, and then that gets doubled because of the crit.

I never said he wasn't correct, I said I would like a link.

It appeared to me that you didn't understand
Sorry for trying to help then
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