My first LC team

Subject: My first LC team Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:10 am

My first LC team

My lead:

Diglett(Whackamole)@focus sash
arena trap
jolly
38hp/236att/236spe
-areal ace
-stealf rocks
-sucker punch/shadow claw
-erthquaqe

you cant really put anythink more on diglett Laughing

Mixed sweeper:

Growlith(Bela)@salac berry
flash fire
lonely
196att/196spe/118spatt
-reversal
-endure
-crunch
-fire blast/flamethrower/OVERHEAT

once i get my salac berry activated i can start to sweep with my mighty reversal

Phisical sweeper:

Tailow(Pisklak)@toxic/flame orb (which one is better for LC
guts
adamant
38hp/236att/236spe
-quick attack
-u-turn
-brave bird
-facade

just a Mini swellow

Calm - beam sweeper:

Duskull(Death Jr.)@oran berry
levitate
bold
198hp/198def/114spatt
-calm mind
-charge beam
-pain split
-shadow ball

I am not sure if this kind of set works in LC ... could someone tell me please

Special tank:

Clamperl(Jewelry)@deepseaSCALE
shell armor
calm
236hp/244spatt/30spdef
-ice beam
-surf
-aqua ring
-toxic

Special deffencive tank i dont use deepseatooth because it is banned

???:

Mareep(Perwool)@oran berry/choice specs
static
quiet
236hp/38def/236spatt
-discharge
-heal bell/HP ground
-power gem
-signal beam

What is more usefull: slow choice specs sweeper or healer?

Subject: Re: My first LC team Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:29 pm

I think deapsea scale is banned in LC

Subject: Re: My first LC team Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:15 pm

Duskboi wrote:: I think deapsea scale is banned in LC

Deepsea Tooth is the one that is banned, I can't find anything that says Deepsea Scale is banned as well.

Subject: Re: My first LC team Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:16 pm

Evil Oogie wrote:

Duskboi wrote:: I think deapsea scale is banned in LC

Deepsea Tooth is the one that is banned, I can't find anything that says Deepsea Scale is banned as well.

Ok my bad. ye I like your team it looks prety origional and thats good because people should be origional and creative with teams Very Happy

Subject: Re: My first LC team Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:05 pm

nikodem123asdf wrote:: My first LC team

I'm just going to rate individual sets... to be honest, this team lacks synergy and you really need to explain why you chose each pokemon... not just what they do, because that is obvious

My lead:

Diglett(Whackamole)@focus sash
Arena Trap
Jolly
36hp/236att/236spe
-~~Aerial ace~~ Protect
-stealth rocks
-sucker punch/shadow claw
-earthquake

you cant really put anythink more on diglett

Actually, he does have a few more options. Because difference between stats are low in LC, Diglett makes an effective user of HP [Ice] with a hasty nature to kill lead Gligar and damage grass type pokemon at the same time. But, since you don't have a life orb it is a lesser option. Protect is the better option over Aerial Ace because there are so many fake out leads like meowth and buneary who can easily take you out with a Fake-Out + Return, surviving the hit with there own focus sash, or taking no damage at all if you set up rocks instead on turn two. Rock Slide is also a good coverage move, but the options you have already listed are better. Shadow Claw is greater than sucker punch because diglett is the fastest non-scarfer in the game, next to Elekid and Voltorb (who you can take care of anyways) so the priority isn't needed. Shadow Claw is also better because so many people will abuse substitute to set up on you, such as Gastly and Drifloon, if you run Sucker Punch.

Mixed sweeper:

Growlith(Bela)@salac berry
flash fire
lonely
196att/196spe/118spatt
-reversal
-endure
-crunch
-fire blast/flamethrower/OVERHEAT

once i get my salac berry activated i can start to sweep with my mighty reversal

No joke, sets like these aren't as good in LC as in OU, UU etc... here is why: Priority is a must on ANY LC team, as even a basic quick attack from Elekid can do 40% damage to many things, and that isn't even STABed, so every LC team always has a revenge killer or two (most of the time it is two, as people only play offense in LC) waiting in the wings. Growlithe has the defenses to survive most priority (if it isn't super effective) when it is high on health, but not at 1 or 2 HP. Try this set instead...

Growlithe @ Life Orb/Oran Berry
76 HP / 196 Speed / 200 Sp. Attack / 36 Sp. Def
Timid Nature
Flash Fire/Intimidate
~Agility
~Fire Blast
~HP [Grass]
~Substitute

OK so the 200 Sp. Attack EVs make up for the 1 point lost from HP [Grass]... (whenever you use a HP where a stat drop is necessary, adding 4 EVs to that stat puts it back to the orginal number, which in this case is 16, a very good Sp. Attack stat is LC). Either ability is useful here, really. Intimidate may allow Growlithe to set up easier, but Flash Fire is very useful for taking advantage of the many fire attacks in LC. The Speed EVs give you 16, which outspeeds all of the pokemon who centralize around the 15 speed benchmark. Life Orb for Power, Oran Berry for easier set-up but harder sweep in the long run... take your pick. HP [Grass] is for bulky waters like chinchou, but HP [Electric] can be used if Mantyke is a problem. Substitute eases prediction against incoming pokemon. This set is walled by pokemon like Houndoor, Mantyke/Chinchou (Depending on your Hidden Power) and Munchlax, so a pokemon like elekid mat be well worth your time to take care of these threats.

Phisical sweeper:

Tailow(Pisklak)@toxic/flame orb (which one is better for LC
guts
~~adamant~~ Jolly
38hp/236att/236spe
-quick attack
-u-turn
-brave bird
-facade

just a Mini swellow

You should add more explanation as to why he is on your team etc... Toxic orb is superior to flame orb as Taillow will be switching often, so taking 6% and then 12% damage is superior to taking 12% and 12% damage, as usually Taillow will be forced out by turn 2 or three by a priority user. Jolly is wayyyy better than Adamant, because the 19 is the highest speed benchmark in the game (besides 20 which only 3 pokemon have), so if you can hit it, then do it.

Calm - beam sweeper:

Duskull(Death Jr.)@oran berry
levitate
bold
198hp/198def/114spatt
-calm mind
-charge beam
-pain split
-shadow ball

I am not sure if this kind of set works in LC ... could someone tell me please

Sorry to say this, again, but stall sets do not work well in LC. The only pokemon who can effectively stall are Shroomish, Snover, and Gligar, to an extent.

Ah, sorry I have to go now, but I will finish this when I return

Special tank:

Clamperl(Jewelry)@deepseaSCALE
shell armor
calm
236hp/244spatt/30spdef
-ice beam
-surf
-aqua ring
-toxic

Special deffencive tank i dont use deepseatooth because it is banned

???:

Mareep(Perwool)@oran berry/choice specs
static
quiet
236hp/38def/236spatt
-discharge
-heal bell/HP ground
-power gem
-signal beam

What is more usefull: slow choice specs sweeper or healer?

Subject: Re: My first LC team Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:59 pm

First of all, mareep isn't very good. There are far more better electric types in LC like elekid. If you want a good Special sweeper, use him. As shnoogle said, stall dosen't work well in LC. I you really want a good special wall, then use munchlax as it can take the hits and dish them right back. you also have too many special sweepers, if you like that kinda set on duskull, then heres a drifllon set i am going to use in my analaysis on smogon.

SubPetaya

Drifloon@Petaya Berry
Ability: Unburden
Nature: Modest
Evs: 40 Hp, 8 DeF, 8 SpD, 200 Spe, 200 SpA
Moves
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Fighting
-Calm Mind/Explosion/Thunderbolt

The way to use this set is to sub down until you activate the petaya berry, which will then activate Unburden, which will double your speed and make you faster than all choice scarf users. If you get a calm mind boost in, then you can OHKO just about every
pokemon in the game. The best way to set it up is to switch in on something like choice scarf gligar using Earthquake or scarfed machop. Shadow Ball and HP Fighting give you perfect coverage with thunderbolt only being there if you want to hit more things supereffictively. This set is vulnearble to priority users but a sub can protect you from at least one hit, plus the most common ones-quick attack, extremespeed-dont affect drifloon.

There, thats my set. What do you think of it? anyway i can improve on? ihave two more sets that i will use but i want to get commenys on this one first before i submit it. Hope it helps you nick!

Subject: Re: My first LC team Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:11 pm

dragonmxz wrote:: First of all, mareep isn't very good. There are far more better electric types in LC like elekid. If you want a good Special sweeper, use him. As shnoogle said, stall dosen't work well in LC. I you really want a good special wall, then use munchlax as it can take the hits and dish them right back. you also have too many special sweepers, if you like that kinda set on duskull, then heres a drifloon set i am going to use in my analaysis on smogon.

SubPetaya

Drifloon@Petaya Berry
Ability: Unburden
Nature: Modest
Evs: 40 Hp, 8 DeF, 8 SpD, 200 Spe, 200 SpA
Moves
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Fighting
-Calm Mind/Explosion/Thunderbolt

The way to use this set is to sub down until you activate the petaya berry, which will then activate Unburden, which will double your speed and make you faster than all choice scarf users. If you get a calm mind boost in, then you can OHKO just about every
pokemon in the game. The best way to set it up is to switch in on something like choice scarf gligar using Earthquake or scarfed machop. Shadow Ball and HP Fighting give you perfect coverage with thunderbolt only being there if you want to hit more things supereffictively. This set is vulnearble to priority users but a sub can protect you from at least one hit, plus the most common ones-quick attack, extremespeed-dont affect drifloon.

There, thats my set. What do you think of it? anyway i can improve on? ihave two more sets that i will use but i want to get commenys on this one first before i submit it. Hope it helps you nick!

DUDE! That set looks pretty solid. I may have to try it out myself. I think I'd go with explosion in the last slot to take out munchlax, as any pokemon who isn't specially defensive will take a lot from shadow ball/HP [Fighting] anyways. Replace this pokemon with duskull as it will serve you well I'm sure (if you don't suck, that is)

OK, so as dragonmxz said, Mareep is outclassed by Elekid, which is what I wanted to point out when I later returned to my rate, but I'll just post it here.
Here is a solid Elekid set that also is very effective in taking out pokemon your team has troubles with an is a good sweeper/cleaner with its high 20 speed.

Elekid @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
252 Atk / 236 Speed
~Thunderpunch
~Cross Chop
~Ice Punch
~Quick Attack

Not so much explaining to do here... Thunderpunch is his best physical STAB move, and Ice Punch provides great coverage when used besides Thunderpunch. Cross Chop is for Munchlax and friends, and quick attack is for priority against other priority users and scarfed pokemon (who are extremely common in LC).

nikodem123asdf wrote:: Clamperl(Jewelry)@deepseaSCALE
shell armor
calm
236hp/244spatt/30spdef
-ice beam
-surf
-aqua ring
-toxic

Ugh... Toxic in LC is crap. You do more damage with any other attack you have than toxic damage does, do to moves doing like 2.5* the amount they do when set at level 100. Actually, Clamperl is just not a very good pokemon in general, sorry to say. You should replace it with a more offensive water type.

Carvanha is a good choice

Carvanha @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
196 Atk / 36 Def / 236 Spe / 36 SpDef
~Substitute
~Aqua Jet
~Crunch
~Zen Headbutt

A very effective set in LC. Sub on the switch, or just kill something if they don't switch, and start to wreck havoc. Aqua Jet because Priority is great on a pokemon with only 16 speed, and crunch is a great STAB move in LC do to the lack of steel type pokemon. Zen Headbutt is good for taking down pokemon like croagunk and machop, who take little damage from your other attacks. Actually, Croagunk benefits from switching in on an Aqua Jet because of Dry Skin.

Subject: Re: My first LC team Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:50 am

thank you all for the time you spend to make this team usefull Smile

i will take that drifloon and cravana
PS:i didnt know stalling is useless in LC it turns out babies are more aggressive than adults ... just like in real live Smile

Subject: Re: My first LC team Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:37 pm

nikodem123asdf wrote:: thank you all for the time you spend to make this team usefull i will take that drifloon and cravana
PS:i didnt know stalling is useless in LC it turns out babies are more aggressive than adults ... just like in real live

Lol sure dude no problem

The reason stall isn't good is plain and simple... Pokemon at level 5 do way more damage than pokemon at level 100