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stevenhitman
Posts : 9 UT points : 5137 Join date : 2010-03-20 Age : 29 Location : new york city
| Subject: should Umbreon be OU? Thu May 13, 2010 7:59 pm | |
| Umbreon being OU is not a bad thing if you dont care if is in OU or UU Idk I still think Umbreon should be UU because common OU like scizor or lucario can beat it really easy because they both take dark move very good I really like putting him in my UU team Is not that I hate Umbreon is just that should Umbreon be OU? let me hear what you guys think
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Beastof2000
Posts : 654 UT points : 5841 Join date : 2010-04-03 Age : 27 Location : United States, OK
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Thu May 13, 2010 8:12 pm | |
| Well Smogon is based mostly on usage. However, I most definitely think it belongs in UU. They have so many other Sp.D walls in OU that are a whole lot better then Umbreon. (bliss is one) | |
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Gir
Posts : 534 UT points : 6221 Join date : 2010-03-08 Age : 30
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Thu May 13, 2010 8:30 pm | |
| On one hand, Umbreon is HUGE set-up fodder for Lucario, RestTalk Dos, DD Mence, DD Kingra etc. The popularity of Infernape, Lucario, Machamp and Scizor make his job of walling tougher, and while Sychronize helps with status, the only "reliable" form of recovery it has is Moonlight, also screwed by ScarfTar rise. On the other hand, he fills a nice niche by luring scizor, yawning it and protecting on the U-turn, or becoming a Curse tank.
I dont consider him worthy of OU, but if that makes people vote Moltres for BL, I`ll defend Umbreon as an OU at all costs | |
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mrcatz
Posts : 1982 UT points : 8636 Join date : 2009-05-25 Age : 29 Location : you wonder why your mom was acting strange this morning O.o
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Thu May 13, 2010 9:00 pm | |
| Yeah L summed it up pretty well. It's biggest weakness is close combat and most pokes that carry it Wall umbreon really well | |
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Shnoogle
Posts : 1710 UT points : 7671 Join date : 2009-09-10 Age : 29 Location : Scranton
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Thu May 13, 2010 9:58 pm | |
| Umbreon is way too powerful for UU, though. It can come in on virtually any special attacker, and with a proper mixed EV spread, several physical attackers in UU as well and easily set up a curse. Then, the only chance you have of breaking it is using a strong STAB fighting attack. And heal bell means attempts to toxic you are futile.
I agree with L, though. If Umbreon in OU means Moltres is BL, then I'm even more for Umbreon in OU.
He will just always be lost, switching between OU and UU... Never having a definite tier until possibly the 5th Gen | |
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SebaSneakers
Posts : 362 UT points : 5722 Join date : 2009-12-29 Age : 29 Location : Antwerp, Belgium
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Fri May 14, 2010 3:16 am | |
| i think i should be uu cause its worty for OU but i would be one of the worst Ou pokémon itjust walled by alot of other OU pokémon + im don't really like OU there all the same all this talking about umbrion im going to get myself an umbrion om my new UU team | |
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Sir Doof
Posts : 209 UT points : 5657 Join date : 2009-11-08 Age : 30 Location : North Carolina
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Fri May 14, 2010 4:02 am | |
| By Gen 5 :/ there might be even more fighting types that can take him out. Watch he goes down to NU lol | |
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dragonmxz
Posts : 884 UT points : 5951 Join date : 2010-02-19 Age : 28 Location : Alameda, California
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Fri May 14, 2010 8:44 am | |
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ninetalescommander
Posts : 28 UT points : 5659 Join date : 2009-07-09 Age : 36 Location : West Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Wed May 19, 2010 9:52 am | |
| As a user of Umbreon, I gonna have to say it belongs in UU In my opinion, there is 3 reasons 1. There are loads of Fighting Types in OU as well as loads of Non-Fighting types that utilize fighting type moves 2. Umbreon can't really do much against fighting types, the only move that is the best choice is Return for neutral damage 3. Finally, its recovery move Moonlight. This move is sueful but is easily made useless with Tyranitar/Hippowdon's sandstream
Apart from that, Umbreon is a very useful pokemon that can be hard to KO in the right situation | |
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smellmyskunk2
Posts : 18 UT points : 5078 Join date : 2010-05-26 Age : 26 Location : Barking
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Wed May 26, 2010 12:28 pm | |
| It should stay a UU, i dont think it can compete with other OU's | |
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ninetalescommander
Posts : 28 UT points : 5659 Join date : 2009-07-09 Age : 36 Location : West Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:58 pm | |
| As a user of Umbreon, i'd have to say it belongs in UU for 3 reasons 1. There are loads of Fighting types roaming in the OU Metagame which Umbreon has a load of trouble with 2. When it comes to offense, Umbreon can be abit limited as its only Physical moves that are of note are Sucker Punch, Return. Pursuit and possibly Last resort 3. Its pretty much walled by Steel types which there are loads of in the OU metagame | |
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ninetalescommander
Posts : 28 UT points : 5659 Join date : 2009-07-09 Age : 36 Location : West Midlands, England
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:01 pm | |
| - ninetalescommander wrote:
- As a user of Umbreon, i'd have to say it belongs in UU for 3 reasons
1. There are loads of Fighting types roaming in the OU Metagame which Umbreon has a load of trouble with 2. When it comes to offense, Umbreon can be abit limited as its only Physical moves that are of note are Sucker Punch, Return. Pursuit and possibly Last resort 3. Its pretty much walled by Steel types which there are loads of in the OU metagame Lol, what do you know? I've already commented on this thread | |
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Gir
Posts : 534 UT points : 6221 Join date : 2010-03-08 Age : 30
| Subject: Re: should Umbreon be OU? Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:03 pm | |
| And you also double posted, yay for breaking the rules.
My opinion: keep Umbreon in OU till Moltres becomes BL, then move it back to UU | |
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