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PostSubject: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 5:15 pm

You try to abduct a 4-year-old to rape her and probably scare her for life...when out of the blue her 8-year-old brother comes out of nowhere and literally beats the living **** out of you? Basically, your life in jail will be a living hell for: 1.-Trying to kidnap a girl and 2.- Being pathetic enough to be a grown adult who was defeated by an 8-year old
Heres the full story, for anyone interested:http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/23573993/detail.html
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 5:32 pm

Haha that part about the kid claiming to have scratched the guy to get his DNA was definitely set-up to make him look even better

I don't know what kind of person would have not been able to take on an 8 year old boy... Once they catch the guy he will be in troooubblllllle.

Also, since the guy wasn't even found, and the kids were around a corner "by themselves" and the 8 year old took on the man... how do the reporters know that the kids aren't making this up? Also, there weren't any surveillance camaras in the hotel parking lot where this happened, either... how conveniant. Just a little skeptical, is all
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 5:34 pm

Meh, cant blame you, I just like the idea of a grown man getting humilliated that badly, you are right in it probably not ever happening, but hey, people can dream, right?
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 6:00 pm

Looks like the kids are making it up as well. But if it's real that could be an awesome story. "8 year old boy scratches his sister away from the abductor!"
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 6:17 pm

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Looks like the kids are making it up as well. But if it's real that could be an awesome story. "8 year old boy scratches his sister away from the abductor!"

Unfortunately, your theory seems unlikely. He would've left some trace, such as fingerprints on the 4 year old, and they could pretty easily give him a lie detector test to see.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 7:13 pm

Wow lol just WOW I can believe any abducter cant take on a 8 year old!
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Mon May 17, 2010 7:15 pm

I bet the adults covering the news story are more concerned about how much of a hit the story will be and how much dough they will rake in than conducting lie detector tests to see if the story is actually real or not. And, since they don't know the guy, any DNA on the kid's hand that they can tell is from an older man could be considered proof, but isn't necessarily the guy who attempted the abduction if you catch my drift.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Tue May 18, 2010 5:26 pm

The man will be raped in jail anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 7:22 pm

That guy has sunk really low if he's abducting 4 year olds, and sunk even lower when he got his butt whupped by a kid twice that age...I'm a nice guy and all, but in my eyes, we're better off without those kind of people.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 7:25 pm

As I said when I first came to UT, I was entirely on Light`s side. Im sick of the garbage of community living to do as they please or, if get caught, live from the money of honest people, just because "life is a human right" well, to hell with that, human rights are earned, as soon as you rape a girl, murder a man or commit any violent crime, you just proved you are not a human
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 7:34 pm

My point exactly, I mean, sure who are we to pass judgement on others, but still, in my (and your)opinion, people who do those kind of things sign their rights as humans away.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 9:49 pm

well the whole good/evil mentality is a deeply complicated thing. No one is purely good and no one i purely evil. many of us are somewhere in between. If you ever read the lightning theif, then you know that when the go to hades they show the 3 areas of death, and by far the biggest one is for people in the middle of the road. there was this kid who went to my school, he was accidentally shot when he was at a piano lesson because there was a holdup across the street, and somehow he actually forgave the guy who shot him. Did i mention after he was shot he was paralyzed from the waist down?and that he may never walk again? and yet somehow... all i know is that most likeley i'd hold a gridge aginst the guy who did that to me for the rest of my life. You might have actually have known about this kid, it happened a while ago but he was in all the parers in america at least, front page headlines. Instead of passing judgement like you guys are saying, he forgave him. im not saying it was the best choice, and the guy still went to prison, but all i want you gus to know is that there is another side to every coin.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 10:16 pm

Now thats is a smart post, so I`ll do my best to give an intelligent reply, seeing as I dont entirely agree with your ideas.
You are right, people are not entirely evil, nor are entirely good, I personally find myself most of an evil side, I have a hatred and a dread for people that scares me, I`ve experiences the death of people who were around, people I truly loved who died not because of bad health, not because of old age, but because of other people who put themselves over others. My first experience with death was at 6, best friend crossing the street with his mom, what happened? A 19-year-old guy was driving drunk and hit him before his mom...he died that very instand, his mom survived, but he simply died, why? Because the idiot driving considered he was "smart" enough to drive and drink. Whenever I go outside, I see people begging for money, for food, for a job, and my heart breaks to pieces because of me only being able to give 2 fking dollars because thats all I have in my pocket, yet I get home and whats the first I see on the news? Politicians protesting because they want a salary 20% highers....I see the world rotting because of the greed of some, because the lack of a heart to understand that you dont need 6000$ a month to live, I see people always suffering because 80% of the world money is in the hands of 20% of the population, I see the amount of injustice, the amount of impunity, the amount of pain that fills this world, and the only cause of this is because a powerful minority who fail to see beyond themselves....I constantly dream of the day that minority dies, I constantly see myself wanting to end their existances just to see how the world would be if people learned to feel the suffering of their brothers. Whats the cause of this? Easy....we choose to be evil. Yes, you are right, not you, not me, not anyone in the world is entirely evil or entirely good, the problem is, we got the freedom to choose wether we are good or evil, and as you might have guess, being evil is easier.
Your friend forgave the guy who made him spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair? Well, then, I truly admire him, a person who can forgive such a thing truly deserves to be recognized, but then again, doesnt a person who choose to give in to his evil also be punished? Is in jail enough of a punishment? In this case, yes, it is, but....what about the man who kept his daughter chained on the basement for 20 years, constantly raped her and ended up having 3 children with her...is letting him live with other people, eat food bought with the money honest men work their asses to get, breath the same air we breath while being confined to a cell enough of a punishment? I say, no. That man destroyed the life of a girl, kept her from the world 20 years, took everything she could have been and threw it away...and his punishment is being spending the rest of his life eating for free? I say that animal deserves to die, and feel the pain he caused his daughter.

Is my mentality fked up? Yes, is my sense of morality lacking? Yes, am I sick for wishing other people to die? Quite probably yes, but in my opinion, punishment should be equivalent to the crime
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 10:28 pm

This topic's getting interesting. I entirely agree with you, L. The natural instinct is to be evil. This brings up the question about why this is. It's simple. Being evil is easier, and makes us benefit usually, to be honest. In the long run, maybe, maybe not. But, looking at Roman history (which I'm quite fond of currently), the evil ones are the ones that get killed. So long as people aren't foolish with their choice of evil, they should be fine.

The part I disagree with is the part of your post that said something along the lines of you seeing homeless people, and then see politicians wanting higher salaries. Greed is natural. Another prospect of evil, but, as I'm sure you've undeniably experienced, everyone has wants. To satisfy this, it may come from money, power, etc. Human nature can't be blamed on anybody. Suffering is made to be seen, to really shine out the ones that aren't suffering, perhaps due to being helped, which makes it that much better. I always live by the thought that if you want something bad enough (within reason) life gives it to you. Maybe, just maybe, these homeless people get their greed elsewhere, and this fully satisfies the wants.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 10:38 pm

Again, thats highly possible, but as smart as I am(and I have no problem admitting it, Im smart) Im also quite naive, I fall way too easily for the "poor people have good hearts" cliches, and the worst part is that I know thats not a general rule, however, when I see homeless people I feel like if that completely rational side of me vanished for the "fuck the world, I wanna make change" routine. I see homeless people and I cant help it but to feel guilty(probably with no reason, I was lucky, they werent, I had no choice on that matter) Yes, homeless people might also be greedy and cruel, and rich people can also be generous and caring, but then again, what about people who are poor and still put other people before them? Dont they deserve some kind of reward? What about people who made themselves reach cheating, lying and destroying others? Dont they deserve some kind of punishment. I know i`ve said Im christian, but what if heaven and hell dont exist? Dont those people deserve to be punished for their actions in Earth?
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 10:46 pm

A plausible thought. My personal theory is that, even if these people that are poor and put others before themselves, despite that the obvious answer for me would be the satisfaction for knowing they have helped and are guilt free, the world has to balance this all out. Why is it that, even in most killing cases, the murderer feels panic. Is it because they are worried about getting in serious trouble? Partially, but, most killings, or harmful things are done in a moments notice. The regret bubbles to the surface. They often cover what happened up, to convince, not only the police, but themselves, that they didn't do it. It would be to much to bear. Dare I say that, even though they were able to kill fellow man, the more admirable ones are the ones that turn themselves in. They do have punishment. The weight on their soul, I'm sure, is unbearable.


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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 10:52 pm

See, now your getting into the sense of, "why the hell do all of these horrible things happen? why dose it happen that a poor person is poor and a rich person is rich? Sad to say, it's often the fault of the people themselves that they are in the situation their in. Or, let me rephase that: they could get out of the hole their in, but only if they make the right choices. The problem with many homeless people and why they are homeless in the first place is one of 2 reasons: A)They didn't put the hardwork in to acheive prosperity and/or happiness, or B) they were perfectly willing to put the work in, but didn't have the tools to accomplish it. Life throws up a lot of roadblocks, to get over them, you need your tools, like your education and such. AS the famouse poem Indictus said, i am the master of my fate, i am the captain of my soul. The only thing that circumstances do to you is make you belive you have no choices. Justice, right, wrong........There is no true anser, only many questions. Who are we to define what is good and what is bad? do you think that when Hitler killed 6 million jews, he thought, "im killing tons of people, which makes me a horrible person?" No, he most likley thought something along the lines of " Yes, i am ridding the world of this foul vermin! they should thank me!" Nobody who we call "evil" belives that he or she is evil. Otherwise, nobody would be evil in the first place.


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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Fri May 21, 2010 11:03 pm

Yes, its true, the guilt is too usually too much to bear, and the act of turning yourself really is admirable, yet, that doesnt change facts:you murdered someone. now, murder can be, to a certain degree, subjective, so Im gonna give my definition of murder: Killing, directly or indirectly, against their will and not in self-defence another inocent human being. By these standar, assited suicide doesnt qualify as murder in my book, as long as this was done with the person itself asking, either written or verbally their wish to die for ANY reason.
You murdered a man, your feel too guilty to continue being free and turn yourself in, does that make you less...well, guilty? Yes, as you clearly show you regret what you did, but that doesnt change the fact that you, under your own free will and with no danger to yourself or anyone else chose to end the life of someone else. Your life wasnt at risk, you had the choice to kill or not to kill, and you took the first path, even though it was wrong. Accidents happen, people die because of a series of random events that could have been avoided, doctors screw up due to too much stress, theres nothing to do about it, however, the moment you, by your own hand choose to use your free will to kill someone who never did no wrong to other human being(at least as far as your knowledge goes) then you give up on any human right you previously had.

Now, I see theres a huge flaw in my argument: what if the person you killed was a bastard, but you didnt know? Like, for example, you killed a serial rapist, but didnt know this fact before the murder, was it "right" or was it "wrong"(keep in mind, even though I support the killing of violent criminals, I still consider killing wrong, and thus my sense of moral is also wrong, but I dont cease to support it) in that case, it was entirely wrong, as the person you intended to kill was the person you knew, not the serial rapist
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 1:16 am

here, check my post above, i finished the thought. Now, it dosen't really matter if you knew he was a bastard or not. in the eyes of the law, you will be charged with all the penalties of murder. Now, if your talking about the moral sense, say you knew he was a b. after you killed him. It dosent matter. The only thing that matters is what you knew of him before you killed him, not what you learned about him after. If you thought that a serial rapist was in fact, a great dad who is nice to his daughters, then you killed the great dad, not the serial rapist. you didn't do it because he was evil, you did it for some other reason. Maybe your just a psychopath or something. Regardless, while it might have helped the people he was raping that you killed him, it dosent mean your a good guy. It might even make you a worse person for killing a guy who you thought in general was a great person. Im not sure that this question is really as on topic as everything else so far, but it's been ansered. make of it what you will.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 9:17 am

We are not discussing wether to the eyes of the law murder is wrong or bad, except for self-defense, defense of others in inmediate danger by that person, or was an irrational act, you`ll be sentenced to jail. What we are discussing is: Is murdering violent criminals and people who choose to hurt others justified?. I dont know if you finished reading my post, but in the end, I said that in said case, the murder is not justified, as who you were about to kill was the person as you knew him/her, not the serial rapist
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 10:44 am

Dragon: He killed them because his step father was jewish and his stepfather killed his real father then marrid his mother then beat them both, leading to a hate of jews.


That is kinda werid...but we really have no proof it happend or that it didin't happen. If its true, that dirtbag really should be shotdown =/ take away a 4 year olds happy go lucky nature for 5 minutes of sex with a 4 year old... it shows:


A) He cant get any on is own

B)He may be a mental person

C) He may have been abused..never know.

D) the though it would be tough to screw a 4 year old...

You really cant wish them death if they are sick in the brain or they were abused and ther mind got all effed up. But if its becase he cant get any or thinks its tough, really, he should be killed. Kudos to the 8 year old. If its true, that is one big 8 year old O_O
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 11:38 am

yes L, but right below when i talk about the law i then talk about the moral sense which i knew you were getting at and my opinon of it.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 4:14 pm

I'll accept that, L. But, if you're saying that, what does this make war? Do you think that, if someone is forced to kill someone, by being drafted or something, they deserve to die? It seems to support what you say. There, once again, they are expressing human nature. The nature to keep themselves alive, at any cost.
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 5:01 pm

Thats a really valid point, however, keep in mind the following, when you go to war, voluntarily or otherwise, you are in a case of "kill or be killed" you got no choice, if you wanna live, you`ll have to kill someone else, in some way, its self-defense.(Quite simple answer, tbh my mind is kinda blank right now, I`ll try to complement the idea later on with an edit)
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PostSubject: Re: So, what happens when   Sat May 22, 2010 5:38 pm

That's where you're wrong. They can run, seek places to hide, but, the admirable ones, will give their lives, just knowing that they did it to save those in the exact same positions as themselves, and, in fact, no matter how fatal it is, refuse to kill another human being. It's a test of proof. Prove about how much you care about people. True, it may be a cruel thing, but, if you really, and I mean really care, then you'll know that maybe, just maybe, the person that you didn't kill will learn from such a great person.
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