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cdplayar

Posts : 1468 UT points : 6024 Join date : 2009-08-10 Age : 22 Location : Ontario, Canada!
 | Subject: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:03 pm | |
| Kayso, this set is there to replace my Moltres on my team. Why do I hate Moltres? It's 4x weak to ground and shtuff.
ThisisanNFE(Monferno)(M)@Life Orb) Jolly Blaze 252 SPE/252 ATK/ 6 HP Fake Out Fire Punch Encore Close Combat
Suggestions? I know this is a NFE in UU, but I think it has a chance of working by using the fake out, then the Encore, switch into something to take out the lead. :3
*Red suggested by: Schnoogle/Gir Blue suggested by: SSHG
Last edited by cdplayar on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:11 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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SoulSilverHeartGold

Posts : 2486 UT points : 5196 Join date : 2009-08-12 Age : 20 Location : Canada
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:00 pm | |
| This is better suited for NU... also Close Combat over Gunk shot. I suggest Thunderpunch over Encore to take care of those flying types too. Flare Blitz is better than fire punch but that will be your choice. I know replacing encore ruins your strategy, but it is just for coverage. Unless you have an electric type on your team... |
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Shnoogle

Posts : 1710 UT points : 5804 Join date : 2009-09-10 Age : 24 Location : Scranton
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:59 pm | |
| If this is a lead, Focus Sash is the best item. For a sweeper, Life Orb should do fine.
Flare Blitz over Fire Punch because Monferno's attack isn't that great, so it needs the boost. Also, he isn't going to live a hit so the recoil doesn't matter much. Thunderpunch is unneeded. All of the Pokémon who aren't hit for more damage from Flare Blitz or Close Combat out speed and OHKO you anyways. Think, Swellow, Moltres etc... Encore is a fantastic move for a fragile Pokémon because no one sees it coming at all and it allows you to more easily support the team than by straight up throwing out powerful attacks.
And, surprisingly, Monferno is a viable Pokémon in UU because it is so unpredictable and has great STAB moves. |
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SoulSilverHeartGold

Posts : 2486 UT points : 5196 Join date : 2009-08-12 Age : 20 Location : Canada
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:32 pm | |
| - Shnoogle wrote:
- If this is a lead, Focus Sash is the best item. For a sweeper, Life Orb should do fine.
Flare Blitz over Fire Punch because Monferno's attack isn't that great, so it needs the boost. Also, he isn't going to live a hit so the recoil doesn't matter much. Thunderpunch is unneeded. All of the Pokémon who aren't hit for more damage from Flare Blitz or Close Combat out speed and OHKO you anyways. Think, Swellow, Moltres etc... Encore is a fantastic move for a fragile Pokémon because no one sees it coming at all and it allows you to more easily support the team than by straight up throwing out powerful attacks.
And, surprisingly, Monferno is a viable Pokémon in UU because it is so unpredictable and has great STAB moves.
Well Moltres can OHKO Monferno with Air Slash... because it is so frial and it has poo defenses. So it won't even survive a hit with some other pokemon. |
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Temius

Posts : 643 UT points : 3694 Join date : 2010-08-03 Age : 22
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:47 pm | |
| I think you meant rock, not ground |
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Shnoogle

Posts : 1710 UT points : 5804 Join date : 2009-09-10 Age : 24 Location : Scranton
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:49 pm | |
| - SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:
- Shnoogle wrote:
- If this is a lead, Focus Sash is the best item. For a sweeper, Life Orb should do fine.
Flare Blitz over Fire Punch because Monferno's attack isn't that great, so it needs the boost. Also, he isn't going to live a hit so the recoil doesn't matter much. Thunderpunch is unneeded. All of the Pokémon who aren't hit for more damage from Flare Blitz or Close Combat out speed and OHKO you anyways. Think, Swellow, Moltres etc... Encore is a fantastic move for a fragile Pokémon because no one sees it coming at all and it allows you to more easily support the team than by straight up throwing out powerful attacks.
And, surprisingly, Monferno is a viable Pokémon in UU because it is so unpredictable and has great STAB moves.
Well Moltres can OHKO Monferno with Air Slash... because it is so frial and it has poo defenses. So it won't even survive a hit with some other pokemon.
Well, that's pretty much what I said, so unless you read incorrectly, are you agreeing with me? |
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SoulSilverHeartGold

Posts : 2486 UT points : 5196 Join date : 2009-08-12 Age : 20 Location : Canada
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:12 pm | |
| - Shnoogle wrote:
- SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:
- Shnoogle wrote:
- If this is a lead, Focus Sash is the best item. For a sweeper, Life Orb should do fine.
Flare Blitz over Fire Punch because Monferno's attack isn't that great, so it needs the boost. Also, he isn't going to live a hit so the recoil doesn't matter much. Thunderpunch is unneeded. All of the Pokémon who aren't hit for more damage from Flare Blitz or Close Combat out speed and OHKO you anyways. Think, Swellow, Moltres etc... Encore is a fantastic move for a fragile Pokémon because no one sees it coming at all and it allows you to more easily support the team than by straight up throwing out powerful attacks.
And, surprisingly, Monferno is a viable Pokémon in UU because it is so unpredictable and has great STAB moves.
Well Moltres can OHKO Monferno with Air Slash... because it is so frial and it has poo defenses. So it won't even survive a hit with some other pokemon.
Well, that's pretty much what I said, so unless you read incorrectly, are you agreeing with me?
Yeah I took it the wrong way... |
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cdplayar

Posts : 1468 UT points : 6024 Join date : 2009-08-10 Age : 22 Location : Ontario, Canada!
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:22 pm | |
| Thanks guys. The only thing I see wrogn with your post, Shcnoogs, is that you're suggestion flare blitz, but the recoil would defeat the purpose of a focus sash. :3 That's all. And I am taking CC over gunk shot. |
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Gir

Posts : 534 UT points : 4354 Join date : 2010-03-08 Age : 25
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:32 pm | |
| He said that if it was a lead, Focus Sash should be the option, otherwise, go for Life Orb _________________  Dan hitted the nail on how Gen V metagame is gonna be: - Spoiler:
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UU youre used to weird ****, but in OU there are going to be SO many new options
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cdplayar

Posts : 1468 UT points : 6024 Join date : 2009-08-10 Age : 22 Location : Ontario, Canada!
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:11 pm | |
| - Gir wrote:
- He said that if it was a lead, Focus Sash should be the option, otherwise, go for Life Orb
True. I will put life orb. :3 I read his post wrong |
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Momo

Posts : 1944 UT points : 4701 Join date : 2009-07-31 Age : 92 Location : in brawl owning n00bs
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:19 pm | |
| Is fake out really needed |
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cdplayar

Posts : 1468 UT points : 6024 Join date : 2009-08-10 Age : 22 Location : Ontario, Canada!
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:41 pm | |
| - Momo wrote:
- Is fake out really needed
Are you kidding? It's a Fake Out - Encore lead. OF COURSE FAKE OUT IS NEEDED! The whole point of him is to use Fake Out. Like, really man?
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Momo

Posts : 1944 UT points : 4701 Join date : 2009-07-31 Age : 92 Location : in brawl owning n00bs
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:43 pm | |
| - cdplayar wrote:
- Momo wrote:
- Is fake out really needed
Are you kidding? It's a Fake Out - Encore lead. OF COURSE FAKE OUT IS NEEDED! The whole point of him is to use Fake Out. Like, really man?
Ok I just dont see the point but whatever |
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SoulSilverHeartGold

Posts : 2486 UT points : 5196 Join date : 2009-08-12 Age : 20 Location : Canada
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:24 am | |
| - Momo wrote:
- cdplayar wrote:
- Momo wrote:
- Is fake out really needed
Are you kidding? It's a Fake Out - Encore lead. OF COURSE FAKE OUT IS NEEDED! The whole point of him is to use Fake Out. Like, really man?
Ok I just dont see the point but whatever
Fake out is just to get some damage on the opponent.
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Momo

Posts : 1944 UT points : 4701 Join date : 2009-07-31 Age : 92 Location : in brawl owning n00bs
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:42 pm | |
| - SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:
- Momo wrote:
- cdplayar wrote:
- Momo wrote:
- Is fake out really needed
Are you kidding? It's a Fake Out - Encore lead. OF COURSE FAKE OUT IS NEEDED! The whole point of him is to use Fake Out. Like, really man?
Ok I just dont see the point but whatever
Fake out is jsut to get some damage on the opponent.
But its only good with tecnition |
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Shnoogle

Posts : 1710 UT points : 5804 Join date : 2009-09-10 Age : 24 Location : Scranton
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:52 pm | |
| Fake Out's primary use is on a lead to ruin the other Pokemon's Focus Sash and it is also somewhat useful for revenge killing. |
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SoulSilverHeartGold

Posts : 2486 UT points : 5196 Join date : 2009-08-12 Age : 20 Location : Canada
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:07 pm | |
| - Momo wrote:
- SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:
- Momo wrote:
- cdplayar wrote:
- Momo wrote:
- Is fake out really needed
Are you kidding? It's a Fake Out - Encore lead. OF COURSE FAKE OUT IS NEEDED! The whole point of him is to use Fake Out. Like, really man?
Ok I just dont see the point but whatever
Fake out is just to get some damage on the opponent. But its only good with *technician
No it isn't, I agree with what schnoogle said, and it can still do decent damage without technician. |
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Evil

Posts : 1177 UT points : 5737 Join date : 2009-08-13
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:49 pm | |
| Replace fakeout with tackle.
It has better coverage, and does more damage. |
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eaglehawks

Posts : 307 UT points : 3292 Join date : 2010-06-14 Location : Johto
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:49 pm | |
| - Evil wrote:
- Replace fakeout with tackle.
It has better coverage, and does more damage.
I don't know whether I should be laughing or be scared. Anyway, I really have no objections to this set, really. It basically can operate well in NU, even though there isn't an official tier for play. I think one thing though is that Pinsir seems to be a threat (I know, I'm thinking in the broadest terms possible and I do not know the NU metagame completely, though from UU, a modified CS Pinsir can operate as a lead and useful Revenge Killer). Earthquake will kill, undoubtedly, so keep sharp. This isn't bad. |
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SoulSilverHeartGold

Posts : 2486 UT points : 5196 Join date : 2009-08-12 Age : 20 Location : Canada
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:07 pm | |
| - eaglehawks wrote:
- Evil wrote:
- Replace fakeout with tackle.
It has better coverage, and does more damage. I don't know whether I should be laughing or be scared.
Anyway, I really have no objections to this set, really. It basically can operate well in NU, even though there isn't an official tier for play. I think one thing though is that Pinsir seems to be a threat (I know, I'm thinking in the broadest terms possible and I do not know the NU metagame completely, though from UU, a modified CS Pinsir can operate as a lead and useful Revenge Killer). Earthquake will kill, undoubtedly, so keep sharp. This isn't bad.
What are you talknig about just like ubers, people play NU... |
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eaglehawks

Posts : 307 UT points : 3292 Join date : 2010-06-14 Location : Johto
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:34 pm | |
| - SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:
- eaglehawks wrote:
- Evil wrote:
- Replace fakeout with tackle.
It has better coverage, and does more damage. I don't know whether I should be laughing or be scared.
Anyway, I really have no objections to this set, really. It basically can operate well in NU, even though there isn't an official tier for play. I think one thing though is that Pinsir seems to be a threat (I know, I'm thinking in the broadest terms possible and I do not know the NU metagame completely, though from UU, a modified CS Pinsir can operate as a lead and useful Revenge Killer). Earthquake will kill, undoubtedly, so keep sharp. This isn't bad.
What are you talknig about just like ubers, people play NU...
Yeah, I know. It's only that Smogon doesn't have an official play tier for NU. I don't know about other sites/servers that do NU play usage statistics. Sorry for any problems. |
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Evil

Posts : 1177 UT points : 5737 Join date : 2009-08-13
 | Subject: Re: Moltres is a week little guy. D: Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:44 pm | |
| - eaglehawks wrote:
- SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:
- eaglehawks wrote:
- Evil wrote:
- Replace fakeout with tackle.
It has better coverage, and does more damage. I don't know whether I should be laughing or be scared.
Anyway, I really have no objections to this set, really. It basically can operate well in NU, even though there isn't an official tier for play. I think one thing though is that Pinsir seems to be a threat (I know, I'm thinking in the broadest terms possible and I do not know the NU metagame completely, though from UU, a modified CS Pinsir can operate as a lead and useful Revenge Killer). Earthquake will kill, undoubtedly, so keep sharp. This isn't bad.
What are you talknig about just like ubers, people play NU... Yeah, I know. It's only that Smogon doesn't have an official play tier for NU. I don't know about other sites/servers that do NU play usage statistics. Sorry for any problems.
My skitty couldnt last a turn with mewtwo. |
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