Latias and Status

Okay, so I trained this Latias today with these sets in mind:

Latias@Flame Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd, 252 SpDef, 4 HP
Moveset:
-Dragon Pulse
-Recover
-Psycho Shift
-Thunderbolt/Reflect/Protect/HP (Ground)

So basically, this Latias is supposed to pass a Burn to any physical sweeper slower than itself. It has max Speed, so it can outrun the majority of sweepers barring Scarfed physical sweepers. Dragon Pulse is for STAB consistent damage and Recover is to heal off any burn damage. Psycho Shift is self-explanatory. The last move is where I have the most trouble.

Thunderbolt is there for any Steel-type that resist Dragon Pulse, excluding Steelix. Reflect is to take the first physical hit before the Burn is actually acquired. Protect is to protect myself for the Burn to activate if Reflect is up already. HP (Ground) is for said Steel-type and neutral type coverage.

Any ideas to improve on this?

Nice I like it alot

Put the 252 Sp. Def EVs into HP so you can take both Sp. And physical attacks well. You already have monstrous Sp. Def so the extra gain isn't worth the bonus physical bulk to take powerful hits like CB Tyranitar's Crunch even when it is burned.

For the last slot, Surf is the best option as Dragon-Water provides the best coverage Latias can get with only two moves and the only pokemon you should have to watch out for are Empoleon and Shedinja (and the latter you can jut trick it your flame orb to kill it in one hit haha)

i say go for a rest talk set

Latias@Flame Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spe, 252 HP, 4 SpD
Moveset:
-Dragon Pulse
-Rest
-Psycho Shift
-Sleep Talk

can shift two statuses if you are lucky

however shnoogle gives a good idea if you want to keep recover

Okay, so shift over the EVs in SpDef to HP instead? And give it Surf?

saxman1324 wrote:

i say go for a rest talk set

Latias@Flame Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spe, 252 HP, 4 SpD
Moveset:
-Dragon Pulse
-Rest
-Psycho Shift
-Sleep Talk

can shift two statuses if you are lucky

however Shnoogle gives a good idea if you want to keep recover

Only use this on shoddy because if you put two pokemon to sleep by accident you lose the battle lol
This is a great set though!

And yeah, Sweetness, Give it surf and 252 HP EVs

Hmm well seeing as I have no way of resetting the EVs (I don't have the berries for it in SS), I'll toy with it for a bit as it is.

Shnoogle wrote:

Nice I like it alot

Put the 252 Sp. Def EVs into HP so you can take both Sp. And physical attacks well. You already have monstrous Sp. Def so the extra gain isn't worth the bonus physical bulk to take powerful hits like CB Tyranitar's Crunch even when it is burned.

For the last slot, Surf is the best option as Dragon-Water provides the best coverage Latias can get with only two moves and the only pokemon you should have to watch out for are Empoleon and Shedinja (and the latter you can jut trick it your flame orb to kill it in one hit haha)

I'm not really sure how well this would work but since Latias has average SpD (sarcasm) you can put the EVs like so; 252 Hp EVs, and if you're worried of special attacks just got 176 Physical Defense and 80 Special defense
In case you're worried or something. Shnoogle's set is good too I GUESS lol.

i like it with the speed to beat almost anything. this pokemon will be hard to take out leaving you an advantage for the rest of your team.


id go with hp ground so youll be able to do a lot of damage while being a wall.

s16jstae wrote:

i like it with the speed to beat almost anything. this pokemon will be hard to take out leaving you an advantage for the rest of your team.


id go with hp ground so youll be able to do a lot of damage while being a wall.

i see no help coming from Hidden Power Ground. Neither Magnezone nor Heatran threaten this set

This is a unique set and I like it a lot, I also see it working out quite well. I have one small suggestion however;

With the amazing rise in the usage of scarf tar, you will have to psycho shift on the switch in order to cripple it. I want to help you ease your prediction, so I would consider surf or grass knot for the fourth slot to at least hit tyranitar for some damage. Also, if Tyranitar sees that you are using grass knot early game, they will hesitate to switch in, which makes prediction harder for your opponent.

Other than that it looks pretty good and it doesn't seem like there could be much wrong with it, although it seems like it could force quite a few switches, so consider running skarmory with it for impeccable synergy and spikes stacking as well.

Juggernaut wrote:

This is a unique set and I like it a lot, I also see it working out quite well. I have one small suggestion however;

With the amazing rise in the usage of scarf tar, you will have to psycho shift on the switch in order to cripple it. I want to help you ease your prediction, so I would consider surf or grass knot for the fourth slot to at least hit tyranitar for some damage. Also, if Tyranitar sees that you are using grass knot early game, they will hesitate to switch in, which makes prediction harder for your opponent.

Other than that it looks pretty good and it doesn't seem like there could be much wrong with it, although it seems like it could force quite a few switches, so consider running skarmory with it for impeccable synergy and spikes stacking as well.

i agree with Skarm support

So far, I did some field tests with Latias and this is what I came up with:

1. It can't take a physical hit without Reflect support.

That's about it. Luckily, that's what I have Bronzong for anyway.

I used to have a Latias like this on one of my old Shoddy teams. They are totally Kick-ACE! I'm surprised Smogon hasn't tested the set.....?

That's because Smogon fails to realize the epic awesomeness that is Flame-Shift Latias.