Competitive Battling Team, First Draft

This is just a team I cooked up to get started. It is not set in stone in any way, so be as brutal as you want with criticism. The team is supposed to be unconventional, so I hope you find it to be that way.

The BOOT (Hitmonlee) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Limber
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Moves:
-Fake Out
-Brick Break
-Sucker Punch
-Blaze Kick/Earthquake/Reversal

Rather than go with the usual leads, I tried to make The BOOT capable of eliminating said leads. I feel that Fake Out is a decent way to start, since I've been able to deal relatively effective damage in the past with it. Brick Break is not only STAB, but also gets rid of light screen/reflect. Sucker Punch is just to account for psychic and ghost guys. I'm undecided with the last move: Blaze Kick handles Skarmory leads, but Earthquake is often a viable choice as well, and I thought Reversal could be of use in the clutch (please help here).

BARKnBAKE (Arcanine) (M) @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs:252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
Moves:
-Extremespeed
-Iron Head
-Thunder Fang/Reversal
-Flare Blitz

I wanted to experiment with Arcanine as my physical sweeper, so I came up with this. Extremespeed is an all-around good move, and Iron Head helps against rock types (and with flinching). Thunder Fang I thought would be useful against water types, but considering my special sweeper (see next pokemon), I decided that Reversal might help with recoil from STAB flare blitz.

Sublight (Lanturn) (F) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Volt Absorb
252 SAtk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
Moves:
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Confuse Ray

This is my special sweeper, with STAB Surf and Thunderbolt (mainly for water/ground/rock types) and Ice beam to cover grass types. Confuse ray is sort of a random filler, and I would like some input as to if I should replace it/what I should replace it with.

Dark Titan (Dusknoir) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Atk
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
Moves:
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
-Night Shade
-Brick Break

My physical wall. I'm following the usual Will-o-Wisp and Pain Split, since they can be very useful, with the addition of Night Shade as a stable form of attack, and Brick Break to handle any normal types. I might switch him out for a Skarmory, to handle Earthquakers, but I'm pretty confident in what I've seen this guy do against my friends.

Fallstar (Spiritomb) (F) @ Leftovers/Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SDef, 252 HP, 4 Def
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spe)
Moves:
-Pain Split
-Toxic
-Shockwave
-Shadow Sneak

My special wall. Pain Split, Toxic, and Shadow Sneak are there to whittle away at the opponents health. Shockwave is there because I have noticed that many special sweepers are water types.

Kika*skhan (Kangaskhan) (F) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Early Bird
EVs: 252 Def, 128 Atk, 128 HP
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
Moves:
-Avalanche
-Return
-Earthquake
-Rest

I'm not really sure exactly what role this Kangaskhan plays. All I'm sure of is that it has bailed me out of numerous life-or-death scenarios. I don't care how sceptical you are, this thing is a beast. Be careful with your criticism on this one, or else you might find out why I named her Kika*skhan.

So criticize, be as cruel as you like, make any suggestions at all.
*Paints target on shirt and braces self*
Ok, go.

i have a lead hitmonlee sorta similar same EVs cept moves were mach punch sucker punch close combat fake out it works pretty well but it usually dies quickley

Ok, I'll take your advice, but I do have a few questions/comments.

First off, I did consider Close Combat highly on Hitmonlee, I just wanted to go with Brick Break to shut down double screeners. Still, I'll take Close Combat into consideration again (I'll take the rest of your advice).

Secondly, I have a question regarding your criticism of Kangaskhan. If I put in those speed EVs, she'll still be slower than most dragons, right? Because I usually have Kangaskhan get hit by a dragon, then Avalanche it for an OHKO (followed by a quick rest).

By the way, thanks for criticism that was actually constructive. People at other places I went to just kind of said "You're a lame noob" and nothing else.

Doctor Dern wrote:

Ok, I'll take your advice, but I do have a few questions/comments.

First off, I did consider Close Combat highly on Hitmonlee, I just wanted to go with Brick Break to shut down double screeners. Still, I'll take Close Combat into consideration again (I'll take the rest of your advice).

Secondly, I have a question regarding your criticism of Kangaskhan. If I put in those speed EVs, she'll still be slower than most dragons, right? Because I usually have Kangaskhan get hit by a dragon, then Avalanche it for an OHKO (followed by a quick rest).

By the way, thanks for criticism that was actually constructive. People at other places I went to just kind of said "You're a lame noob" and nothing else.

lol thanks

I know why you originally chose brick break, but dual screeners are so uncommon that the extra power from Close Combat is generally superior. Still, if you are a little paranoid of them, feel free to run brick break, as it is more of a preference thing.

I suggested you make this team UU by removing dusknoir, so you will not even have to worry about dragons. The only dragon type in UU is the rare Altaria. You will outspeed with those EVs but get this - Avalanche has a priority of -4, meaning that it will almost always go last regardless of speed. The only moves that will go after Avalanche are:

-5 Priority: Counter, Mirror Coat
-6 Priority: Roar, Whirlwind
-7 Priority: Trick Room

Altaria normally does not carry any of these moves (nor does any other dragon if you do play this in OU) so you are fine running 216 Speed EVs.

may i suggest an alternative set for your arkanine

Arcanine(RK9)@salac berry
flash fire
lonely
252att/252spe/6spatt
-endure
-reversal
-crunch
-overheat

combination of fighting and dark type attacks gives you preety neat cover sedisted only by toxicroag and heracross (which you can take out easly with your OVERHEAT! ) even with almost no ev in special attack overheat is still enormously powerful flash fire is there so you can easier go down to salac berry activation area (after getting down to ~20% of hp your reversal will have 100 BP which is already acceptable) i chose salac berry for you because although every poke-dex entry mentions arcanine speed being unmatchable he gets out-speeded by many pokes...

sorry for my terrible grammar i am not english

Shnoogle wrote:

Doctor Dern wrote:

Ok, I'll take your advice, but I do have a few questions/comments.

First off, I did consider Close Combat highly on Hitmonlee, I just wanted to go with Brick Break to shut down double screeners. Still, I'll take Close Combat into consideration again (I'll take the rest of your advice).

Secondly, I have a question regarding your criticism of Kangaskhan. If I put in those speed EVs, she'll still be slower than most dragons, right? Because I usually have Kangaskhan get hit by a dragon, then Avalanche it for an OHKO (followed by a quick rest).

By the way, thanks for criticism that was actually constructive. People at other places I went to just kind of said "You're a lame noob" and nothing else.

lol thanks

I know why you originally chose brick break, but dual screeners are so uncommon that the extra power from Close Combat is generally superior. Still, if you are a little paranoid of them, feel free to run brick break, as it is more of a preference thing.

I suggested you make this team UU by removing dusknoir, so you will not even have to worry about dragons. The only dragon type in UU is the rare Altaria. You will outspeed with those EVs but get this - Avalanche has a priority of -4, meaning that it will almost always go last regardless of speed. The only moves that will go after Avalanche are:

-5 Priority: Counter, Mirror Coat
-6 Priority: Roar, Whirlwind
-7 Priority: Trick Room

Altaria normally does not carry any of these moves (nor does any other dragon if you do play this in OU) so you are fine running 216 Speed EVs.

Ye and why would you use kangaskhan in Ou anyways

Oh and btw snhoogle this i skinda random but i got a gyrados with 31 spped ad 29 atk ivs and i have finished eving it. It work with both stone edge and bounce so im still on the fence about that

First off, thanks nicodem for the suggestion, I'm always open to them.

Secondly, I'm just gonna tell you Schnoogle (awesome name by the way) that I don't believe in tiers. Tiers to me is just, well, I don't see the point. Can't someone just play with whatever they want (obeying standard rules, of course)? And if they can't, well... then... narf.

And Duskboi, just so you know, I'd go against an all legendary team with a kangaskhan. They rock that much.

Doctor Dern wrote:

First off, thanks nicodem for the suggestion, I'm always open to them.

Secondly, I'm just gonna tell you Schnoogle (awesome name by the way) that I don't believe in tiers. Tiers to me is just, well, I don't see the point. Can't someone just play with whatever they want (obeying standard rules, of course)? And if they can't, well... then... narf.

And Duskboi, just so you know, I'd go against an all legendary team with a kangaskhan. They rock that much.

OK well if you are going to be playing with whatever, you need to have a steel type on your team to resist all the dragon attacks, as well as other steel attacks and stuff that OU pokemon have at their disposal.

Metagross is a very bulky steel type pokemon, as well as an offensive powerhouse. If you want to use him, here is a good set:



Metagross @ Life Orb/Leftovers (Depends if you want more power or survivability)
112 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Def / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature... +Attack, -Sp. Attack
~Agility
~Meteor Mash
~Earthquake
~Explosion/Thunderpunch

AgiliGross... Ah so powerful. The EVs allow you to outpace max speed choice scarf Heatran after an agility, so they cannot revenge kill you with Flamethrower/Earth Power/Whatever.Max attack is quite obvious. The 124 Leftover EVs are sorted into 112 HP, 12 Def so your Life Orb recoil rounds down from 33 to 32, and the other 12 EVs are placed in defense for lack of a better place to put them into :/
Meteor Mash and EQ round off coverage pretty well, but you will have trouble with bulky water types. You can either A.) Explode on them for a OHKO, or B.) Thunderpunch them for either a 2 or 3HKO. Obviously, Thunderpunch will OHKO gyarados, though. Explosion is also useful for bulky pokemon in general like Celebi and Swampert who can take any attacks including Thunderpunch with ease, but of course, you lose Metagross in the process.

Cool, I like Metagross. Thanks again for your input

Doctor Dern wrote:

Cool, I like Metagross. Thanks again for your input

No problem

PM me or just post here if you need any more help

Doctor Dern wrote:

And Duskboi, just so you know, I'd go against an all legendary team with a kangaskhan. They rock that much.

Well you obviosly have mad skillz then lo. No but i didn't mean it like that. I meant like it would do better in its own tier because thats the tier its in... If that makes sense lol. Tiers are there to stop people who are rly boring just going oh im gonna use a full team of ubers against you when your using a team full of MFE's. And I know people do do things like that sometimes for a challenge, but if it wasnt for tiers there wouldnt be much point in any pokemon other than ubers

Doctor Dern wrote:

First off, thanks nicodem for the suggestion, I'm always open to them.

Secondly, I'm just gonna tell you Schnoogle (awesome name by the way) that I don't believe in tiers. Tiers to me is just, well, I don't see the point. Can't someone just play with whatever they want (obeying standard rules, of course)? And if they can't, well... then... narf.

And Duskboi, just so you know, I'd go against an all legendary team with a kangaskhan. They rock that much.

Don't standard rules prohibit Ubers? I was just saying that my kangaskhan was originally designed to tackle dragons (except those blasted kingdras ) and I would like to test its mettle against such threats. But Ubers? No way, nobody likes those. I just think that UUs and NUs should not be separated from OUs.

I seriously would go against a full legendary team with a kangaskhan on mine though (so be careful )

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Don't standard rules prohibit Ubers? I was just saying that my kangaskhan was originally designed to tackle dragons (except those blasted kingdras ) and I would like to test its mettle against such threats. But Ubers? No way, nobody likes those. I just think that UUs and NUs should not be separated from OUs.

I seriously would go against a full legendary team with a kangaskhan on mine though (so be careful )[/quote]

But if people want to use a UU team agasint a OU team they can. Its just if they dont want to use a UU team agasint an OU team they dont have to so really its the people who just use OUs all the time and never a fun team who brought on the tiers

Ok, ok, NOW I see your point. Still, I do feel like its a good lesson for the no-originality OU abusers when you cream them with NFEs and low-tier pokemon. Just look at Uutton with his nasty Chansey and Grovyle.

I get what you mean now, though.

Doctor Dern wrote:

Ok, ok, NOW I see your point. Still, I do feel like its a good lesson for the no-originality OU abusers when you cream them with NFEs and low-tier pokemon. Just look at Uutton with his nasty Chansey and Grovyle.

I get what you mean now, though.

I agree that is why I try not to use OUs

Doctor Dern wrote:

Ok, ok, NOW I see your point. Still, I do feel like its a good lesson for the no-originality OU abusers when you cream them with NFEs and low-tier pokemon. Just look at Uutton with his nasty Chansey and Grovyle.

I get what you mean now, though.

oooh thnx for reminding me of uutton's NFEs. I forgot I was gonna make a little cup team today.
darn I needa finish up fixing my bastiodon...
after that though. I'ma try and use his krabby as a different pokemon.
SUPAH KRABBY!

edit:
hmmm....actually thats not too much for originality. Nvm, I'll just think of some other pokemon. Besides, I really don't want to make another team based on trick room.