Idea for a Lucario Moveset

Hello everyone

I've recently been looking into Lucario's movepool and I may have come up with a better Reversal set than Smogon's

Lucario (duh)
Nature: Lonely
EV's: 252 atk, 252 spd
Item: Focus Sash
Moves: Reversal, Extremespeed, Stone Edge & Agility

I'm sure this set is pretty obvious so i'll give a quick description
Basic plan, come in on a Pokemon that can hurt Lucario, use agility, and then attempt to sweep with Reversal
Extremespeed is there for Focus Sashers and pokemon in red health
Lonely nature is so its easier for Lucario to hit 1HP for Reversal to be in max power

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Temius wrote:

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Well Stone still hits most of the time accuracy isn't that big of a factor. Also if he has spin support he can still use this set.

SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:

Temius wrote:

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Well Stone still hits most of the time accuracy isn't that big of a factor. Also if he has spin support he can still use this set.

no he can't. Stone edge misses all the time, and priority moves are pretty common in OU

Temius wrote:

SoulSilverHeartGold wrote:

Temius wrote:

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Well Stone still hits most of the time accuracy isn't that big of a factor. Also if he has spin support he can still use this set.

no he can't. Stone edge misses all the time, and priority moves are pretty common in OU

you cant really argue that it misses all the time, stuff just happens.

tho I do agree with the priority moves, a pokemon like this should be moved to the lower tiers, where a few are only present (or unless I'm too outdated, then ignore that statement)

I shouldnt've said it misses all the time. It misses enough to really make your success based too much on luck. I'd want a set where, even if I got unlucky a couple times, it wouldn't be guaranteed defeat.

Temius wrote:

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Okay, 2 things to say
1. This set is used on PBR, which isn't exactly competitive
2. Stone edge actually hits alot for me, and don't go saying i'm lucky because I don't believe in luck

ninetalescommander wrote:

Temius wrote:

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Okay, 2 things to say
1. This set is used on PBR, which isn't exactly competitive
2. Stone edge actually hits alot for me, and don't go saying i'm lucky because I don't believe in luck

I never said anything about you being lucky
Stone edge just isn't consistent enough when you're poke will get killed by a chansey's tackle
THINK!

Temius wrote:

ninetalescommander wrote:

Temius wrote:

This Luke just won't do enough damage. The only move you have to hit ghosts is stone edge, and that has pretty low accuracy. this set will be completely walled by many pokes. And pokemon with priority moves will mess you up. you will probably get 1 ko, then they will switch into a scizor or luke of their own, and since most every team runs SR nowadays, you pretty much just have to die. There isn't much usefulness in this set, sorry.

Okay, 2 things to say
1. This set is used on PBR, which isn't exactly competitive
2. Stone edge actually hits alot for me, and don't go saying i'm lucky because I don't believe in luck

I never f*cking said anything about you being lucky
Stone edge just isn't consistent enough when you're poke will get killed by a chansey's tackle
THINK!

that's enough Temius, no need to curse or give a nasty attitude.

yes there is. People need to quit getting all defensive all the time. There is no need to get mad at me for talking about luck. And where do you get off telling me: "That's enough"
You're not a **** mod, don't patronize me!

Dont patronize him meenie faces

Temius wrote:

yes there is. People need to quit getting all defensive all the time. There is no need to get mad at me for talking about luck. And where do you get off telling me: "That's enough"
You're not a **** mod, don't patronize me!

-_- I'm getting defensive? you know your getting worked up over another person's strategy in a videogame. Your just being too aggressive to our other users. We just had a forum discussion about a better attitude on here. Weren't you here?

Just one thing... Why do you have agility on a REVENGE set? Doesn't make it a moot point? This would be good if it were an attacking set. And while I do like to be original sometimes, I do think there is a bit to original. Sorry dude. And Temius, just stop.

He means the MOVE revenge, not a style of poke, dude.
And pialga, defensive and aggressive are 2 different things. I'm getting worked up because he can't handle criticism when he's asking for it. Try to get something right next time you whine at me

Temius wrote:

He means the MOVE revenge, not a style of poke, dude.
And pialga, defensive and aggressive are 2 different things. I'm getting worked up because he can't handle criticism when he's asking for it. Try to get something right next time you whine at me

I know, that's what I'm saying. Isn't the point of using revenge to take damage and double the damage on returning the hit?

ScizzorTrainer wrote:

I know, that's what I'm saying. Isn't the point of using revenge to take damage and double the damage on returning the hit?

You want to double check it says "Reversal" not Revenge. Reversal works the same way as flail. you want your hp at its lowest and agility will help make a sweep as long they do not have a priority move.

FlareZen wrote:

ScizzorTrainer wrote:

I know, that's what I'm saying. Isn't the point of using revenge to take damage and double the damage on returning the hit?

You want to double check it says "Reversal" not Revenge. Reversal works the same way as flail. you want your hp at its lowest and agility will help make a sweep as long they do not have a priority move.

Mama mia... Alright, I'm an idiot.
Sorry... Good moveset *walks off*

Temius wrote:

He means the MOVE revenge, not a style of poke, dude.
And pialga, defensive and aggressive are 2 different things. I'm getting worked up because he can't handle criticism when he's asking for it. Try to get something right next time you whine at me

Okay, 4 things to say
1. Terminus, I know you never mentioned luck, so i've no idea why you brought that up
2. I have no idea where the move revenge came into this matter
The moves say "Reversal" not Revenge
3. I know priority can ruin this set but you get that risk with pretty much every moveset, hence the reason extremespeed is listed
4. I will admit Stealth Rock does ruin this as well, but SR isn't used much on PBR so it dosen't matter much, plus i'd usually lead with this Lucario set
If this was for Competitive play, I probably wouldn't run this