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PostSubject: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:00 pm

I need help with my standard team! I've tried my best to make this team. And this is the team I'll be using in standard battles, so please do not use this against me.
And, yes, this is for singles.

Ambipom @Life Orb / Silk Scarf
Technician
Adamant / Jolly
252Atk / 252Spe / 6HP
-Fake Out
-Taunt / Pursuit / Payback
-Double Hit / Pursuit / Payback
-U-turn

Basic lead Ambipom. Fake Out on first turn. Then Taunt if I want to stop other leads from setting up, or I can go with Thunder Wave to paralize some Pokes, or I can Pursuit If a ghost comes out. I'm leaning on Pursuit. Then I can ether U-turn out, or stay in and Double Hit.

Forretress @Leftovers
Sturdy
Relaxed
252HP / 124Def / 124SpD / 10Atk
-Toxic Spikes
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin
-Gyro Ball / Earthquake / Explosion / Light Screen(?)

My spinner and supporter. Stealth Rock on first turn, then set up two layers of Toxic Spikes. Rapid Spin for clearing entry hazards to my team. For the last slot, I can Gyro Ball for power and STAB, Earthquake to stop fire types, Explosion for ...well, exploding if I think I don't need Forretress anymore. And Light Screen if I want to boost my team's special defense, which it lacks.

Donphan @Life Orb / Choice Band / Choice Scarf(?)
Sturdy
Adamant
252Atk / 204Def / 52HP
-Earthquake
-Seed Bomb
-Stone Edge / Ice Shard
-Assurance / Ice Shard

My physical sweeper. Great attack and defence make Donphan an excellent sweeper. Okay, Earthquake for STAB. Seed Bomb for coverage. Stone Edge for flyers or Ice Shard for dragons and priority. I can go with Assurance for the last slot if I want ghost coverage, like Gengar, if those silly ghosts think they can counter it. I don't know if I should choose a Choice Band for more power, or a Life Orb so I can access all my moves. I don't about Choice Scarf though, because even with it, Donphan isn't that fast.


Alakazam @Choice Specs
Inner Focus / Synchronize
Modest / Timid
252SpA / 252Spe / 6SpD
-Psychic
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast / Signal Beam
-Energy Ball / Shock Wave / Signal Beam / HP Fire / HP Ice

My special sweeper. Psychic for STAB. Shadow Ball for ghosts and other psychics. Focus Blast for darks and some normals and some steels. I can use Signal Beam for confusionhax and darks and psychics. I can use Energy Ball for bulky waters like Swampert and Quagsire. Thunderbolt for coverage and some bulky waters. HP Fire for steels. HP Ice for dragons.

Dragonite @Leftovers / Lum Berry
Inner Focus
Adamant
84Atk / 224HP / 200Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Roost

My awesome tank. Dragonite can take hits like a total beast. Dragon Dance to boost attack and speed. Dragon Claw for STAB. Earthquake for coverage. Roost for healing properties.

Infernape @Life Orb
Blaze
Adamant
252Atk / 252Spe / 6SpD
-Earthquake / Mach Punch / Taunt (if I don't go with Taunt on Ambipom)
-Flare Blitz / Fire Punch
-Shadow Claw / Mach Punch / Taunt (if I don't go with Taunt on Ambipom)
-Stone Edge

Earthquake for coverage. Mach Punch for STAB and priority. Flare Blits or Fire Punch (so I don't get recoil) for STAB. Taunt if I didn't go with Taunt on Ambipom. Shadow Claw for coverage. Stone Edge for flyers.

I can't decide between Infernape and Salamence. For those of you who who have read this before, yes I replaced the Flareon idea with Salamence. I found that Salamence is somewhat bulky, which is what I'm looking for. Here's the Salamence idea.

Salamence @Life Orb
Rash
80HP / 252SpA / 176Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast / Flamethrower
-Brick Break
-Roost

Yes. This is a smogon set. for explaination, go here: http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/salamence

What do guys think about this new option?

Well, there's my standard team! Tell me your suggestions and advice so I can make my team better! And, again, please do not look at this before a battle with me or something.


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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:13 pm

You're better off making Flareon a special wall, as you need one on your team. Run Calm nature with Wish/Lava Plume/Toxic/Protect if you want a wall.

Beware that your team can easily be swept by SubAgilityPetaya Empoleon if you don't run Mach Punch on Infernape.

Run choice band on Donphan, I have used it on Shoddy and it is ultimate. I used EQ/Ice Shard/SE/Assurance.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:31 pm

Does this mean I should go with Infernape over Flareon?
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:33 pm

CaseyR wrote:
Does this mean I should go with Infernape over Flareon?

Flareon is a bad pokemon, and perhaps the worst Eeveelution. Yes, go with Infernape.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:41 pm

Flareon is not a bad Pokemon, It has awesome special defense and attack. It just doesn't have the best attacking moves. I bet if Flareon could use Flare Blitz (Which it and Entei deserve), it would be used as much as the other Eeveelutions.


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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:45 pm

Rysta wrote:
Beware that your team can easily be swept by SubAgilityPetaya Empoleon if you don't run Mach Punch on Infernape

What if I go with Mach Punch, Flare Blitz/Fire Punch, Stone Edge, Earthquake(or Taunt if I don't use it ion Ambipom) on Infernape? Would that work?
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 9:51 pm

CaseyR wrote:
Flareon is not a bad Pokemon, It has awesome defenses and attack.
You mean Special Defense and Attack. Remember that it's Health and Defense are slightly stronger than paper and that it's Speed is just as bad.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 10:08 pm

Rysta wrote:
CaseyR wrote:
Flareon is not a bad Pokemon, It has awesome defenses and attack.
You mean Special Defense and Attack. Remember that it's Health and Defense are slightly stronger than paper and that it's Speed is just as bad.

I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 10:13 pm

It's still not a bad Pokemon.
But, sigh, if you guys insist, I'll scratch the whole Flareon idea. I wanted a bulky fire type, and I thought Flareon would be a good choice. Because my team has a fire weakness, and with Flash Fire, I could overcome that.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 10:16 pm

One word: Arcanine. But if you don't use infernape, SubPetayaAgility Empoleon will massacre you, they're rare though which is good. You better find a counter for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySat Jan 02, 2010 10:19 pm

I was just looking at Arcanine. But, I've decided that I'll just go with Infernape because I think it's the best choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 5:30 am

alakazam doesnt learn thunderbolt
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 8:51 am

nikodem123asdf wrote:
alakazam doesnt learn thunderbolt

he's right ^^ but it does learn the super weak shockwave... go for signal beam. obviously much better accuracy than focus blast but they do make a good combo on most alakazams so you may want to use both. i dont see a big swampert weakness so i wouldnt go with energy ball unless you really think you do since donphan has seed bomb and dragonite can wall until it is roared
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 11:31 am

saxman1324 wrote:
nikodem123asdf wrote:
alakazam doesnt learn thunderbolt

he's right ^^ but it does learn the super weak shockwave... go for signal beam. obviously much better accuracy than focus blast but they do make a good combo on most alakazams so you may want to use both. i dont see a big swampert weakness so i wouldnt go with energy ball unless you really think you do since donphan has seed bomb and dragonite can wall until it is roared

Shock Wave isn't so weak coming from Alakazam and I've found it quite useful.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 11:37 am

Greene wrote:
saxman1324 wrote:
nikodem123asdf wrote:
alakazam doesnt learn thunderbolt

he's right ^^ but it does learn the super weak shockwave... go for signal beam. obviously much better accuracy than focus blast but they do make a good combo on most alakazams so you may want to use both. i dont see a big swampert weakness so i wouldnt go with energy ball unless you really think you do since donphan has seed bomb and dragonite can wall until it is roared

Shock Wave isn't so weak coming from Alakazam and I've found it quite useful.

i nvr did well using shock wave on my alakazam, but i suppose almost any special attack coming from Alakazam (especially specs'd of course) will be strong. if you need the electric move then go for it
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 12:20 pm

Hey saxman... Dragonite doesn't wall swampert... It's the othe way around. Plus, every swampert these days has ice beam so it'll be taken out pretty quickly.

No shadow claw on infernape. And no taunt either (use i on ambipom). You need to have close combat instead of shadow claw. Alakazam is going to be outspeeding you anyways, and a super effective shadow claw also has 40 less power than a neutral flare blitz.

Double hit on ambipom is unreliable i think when you have the 100% accurate stab return to work with. It has basically the same power as double hit (like 4 less power) but it will be hitting all the time. Payback > pursuit in this case and thunder wave isn't the best move for an attacking ambipom.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 12:22 pm

saxman1324 wrote:
Greene wrote:
saxman1324 wrote:
nikodem123asdf wrote:
alakazam doesnt learn thunderbolt

he's right ^^ but it does learn the super weak shockwave... go for signal beam. obviously much better accuracy than focus blast but they do make a good combo on most alakazams so you may want to use both. i dont see a big swampert weakness so i wouldnt go with energy ball unless you really think you do since donphan has seed bomb and dragonite can wall until it is roared

Shock Wave isn't so weak coming from Alakazam and I've found it quite useful.

i nvr did well using shock wave on my alakazam, but i suppose almost any special attack coming from Alakazam (especially specs'd of course) will be strong. if you need the electric move then go for it

There is always hp electric, but I don't know if it's stronger than shock wave or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 1:20 pm

Shnoogle wrote:
Hey saxman... Dragonite doesn't wall swampert... It's the othe way around. Plus, every swampert these days has ice beam so it'll be taken out pretty quickly.

o i suppose im more used to roaring swamperts with : roar, SR, EQ, and Surf. then your definitely going to want more grass attacks on the team
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 1:43 pm

Shnoogle wrote:
Hey saxman... Dragonite doesn't wall swampert... It's the othe way around..

Actually Swampert doesn't wall Dragonite either, not resisting Outrage, EQ or E-Speed, and after a DD getting taken out by the most former.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 6:35 pm

I changed Thunderbolt to Shock Wave.
And, Shnoogle, I like Double Hit better on Ambipom. It just works out better for me. For instance, Double Hit won't KO anything on the first hit (unless the opponent doesn't EV train or something), so it'll break sashes. And on the second hit, it can get a possible KO.
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 6:38 pm

I specifically meant his d nite (only dragon claw and like 80 attack evs if i remember correctly)

And swampert can take a max attack life orb DD outrage from salamence and still survive... So i'm pretty sure he can take a weaker d claw from dragonite and then KO with an ice beam/ avalanche

You already have fake out foe sashers... and you cannot touch steels anyways with double hit
It's a preference thing i guess
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 6:51 pm

Shnoogle wrote:
I specifically meant his d nite (only dragon claw and like 80 attack evs if i remember correctly)
Sigh, she.

And swampert can take a max attack life orb DD outrage from salamence and still survive... So i'm pretty sure he can take a weaker d claw from dragonite and then KO with an ice beam/ avalanche

You already have fake out foe sashers... and you cannot touch steels anyways with double hit
It's a preference thing i guess
But I can only use Fake Out on the first turn. After I use it, I have no other STAB move.

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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 6:52 pm

CaseyR wrote:
Shnoogle wrote:
I specifically meant his d nite (only dragon claw and like 80 attack evs if i remember correctly)
Sigh, she.

And swampert can take a max attack life orb DD outrage from salamence and still survive... So i'm pretty sure he can take a weaker d claw from dragonite and then KO with an ice beam/ avalanche

You already have fake out foe sashers... and you cannot touch steels anyways with double hit
It's a preference thing i guess
But I can only use Fake Out on the first turn. After I use it, I have no other STAB move.

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agreed
just keep double hit
and on alakazam, just go with focus blast and energy ball, as it gives the best coverage
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PostSubject: Re: Help My Standard Team!   Help My Standard Team! EmptySun Jan 03, 2010 6:57 pm

Ok... Um, i'm pretty sure that return is a STAB move on ambipom so i don't know where the logic in you saying that was

And sorry, i have no way of knowing you are a girl
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Darkravenn12 wrote:
CaseyR wrote:
Shnoogle wrote:
I specifically meant his d nite (only dragon claw and like 80 attack evs if i remember correctly)
Sigh, she.

And swampert can take a max attack life orb DD outrage from salamence and still survive... So i'm pretty sure he can take a weaker d claw from dragonite and then KO with an ice beam/ avalanche

You already have fake out foe sashers... and you cannot touch steels anyways with double hit
It's a preference thing i guess
But I can only use Fake Out on the first turn. After I use it, I have no other STAB move.

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agreed
just keep double hit
and on alakazam, just go with focus blast and energy ball, as it gives the best coverage

Nope, focus blast, signal beam, and psychic give it the best coverage but you are swampert weak so put energy ball in the extra move slot
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